I ordered these, broke them in and then took a trip to Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. Walked an average of 4 miles a day, and many flights of stairs! Without these inserts, I don't think I would have been able to do all the walking as I have back and neck issues when I walk. I am not going to lie and say there was no pain at the end of the day, but it was significantly less than it has been on other touring trips! Thanks Protalus!